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	<title>Comments on: Now I&#8217;m worried &#8211; who decides what is effective and who should be funded?</title>
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		<title>By: GayleGifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayleGifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz, Thanks for your comment.
These attempts to develop nonprofit effectiveness measuring systems are a well-motivated response to go beyond the limitations of a finance only ranking like CharityNavigator.

As the report I mentioned indicates, there is a movement to create these intermediaries. While I welcome an ongoing conversation about how effective any particular nonprofit is, I&#039;m extremely worried about the CharityNavigator equivalents for rating societal outcomes. Who gets to be the &quot;evaluator&quot; and on what basis will they be making those decisions? What time frame are they using? What about the web of nonprofits that contribute to a particular outcome -- how does this synergy get measured? 

My challenge to these intermediaries is to start by trying to create the indicators for the hardest to measure causes like the arts, the humanities, all prevention related concerns, advocacy organizations, etc. As these organizations and their supporters, as well as the best minds in academia and government, have been struggling for decades to identify the right measures, I&#039;m absolutely dumbfounded that a foundation as respected as the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation would endorse by dumping tons of cash on an organization like GiveWell which, to me, demonstrated a superficial and arbitrary evaluation in their recent rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz, Thanks for your comment.<br />
These attempts to develop nonprofit effectiveness measuring systems are a well-motivated response to go beyond the limitations of a finance only ranking like CharityNavigator.</p>
<p>As the report I mentioned indicates, there is a movement to create these intermediaries. While I welcome an ongoing conversation about how effective any particular nonprofit is, I&#8217;m extremely worried about the CharityNavigator equivalents for rating societal outcomes. Who gets to be the &#8220;evaluator&#8221; and on what basis will they be making those decisions? What time frame are they using? What about the web of nonprofits that contribute to a particular outcome &#8212; how does this synergy get measured? </p>
<p>My challenge to these intermediaries is to start by trying to create the indicators for the hardest to measure causes like the arts, the humanities, all prevention related concerns, advocacy organizations, etc. As these organizations and their supporters, as well as the best minds in academia and government, have been struggling for decades to identify the right measures, I&#8217;m absolutely dumbfounded that a foundation as respected as the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation would endorse by dumping tons of cash on an organization like GiveWell which, to me, demonstrated a superficial and arbitrary evaluation in their recent rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very interested to see your blog posting about GiveWell as it has concerned me for some time to see the growing need to &quot;evaluate and rate&quot; nonprofit effectiveness.  CharityNavigator is another example.  I understand the impetus but find the application a bit like applying a for profit business template to an undertaking that does not measure outcomes in the same quantitative way.  I don&#039;t have a problem with transparency (Guidestar) but the rating piece seems flawed.  Have you seen others getting into this too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very interested to see your blog posting about GiveWell as it has concerned me for some time to see the growing need to &#8220;evaluate and rate&#8221; nonprofit effectiveness.  CharityNavigator is another example.  I understand the impetus but find the application a bit like applying a for profit business template to an undertaking that does not measure outcomes in the same quantitative way.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with transparency (Guidestar) but the rating piece seems flawed.  Have you seen others getting into this too?</p>
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